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Episode 7 · 1 year ago

The Parrsitivity Podcast #Episode 95 Elly Hyde

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In today's episode I'm joined by Elly Hyde, Elly is a good friend of mine! In this Episode we talk about the Elly's passion for photography and much more! Instagram: @Ellyfant_ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/the-parrsitivity-podcast/message

Hither. My name is Adam Po and the podcast host posity to podcast. In this podcast, you will be listened to me connect with people from different walks of life, from the military to people in the music industry, to people in the self help industry and many other areas of life. In this podcast I'll be talking about topics from self help, mental health, motivation, spirituality, mindset, society, current affairs and much, much more. If you enjoy this podcast, please subscribe, share and let me know your feedback. And my main intention on this podcast is to have a positive impact for you, the lit the listener, to take something positive from it, to apply something positive into your life from this. Now with without further ado, let's go to podcast and enjoy. Hi, welcome to the boss a podcast. In this episode I'm reunited with a friend of mine, Ellie Hide, and this podcast we talked about the importance of following your passion, doing what you love, and Ellie's work and energy and time that goes into her photography. Now sit back, blacks and enjoy this episode. Hili, how you doing your I thank you for yeah, yeah, good s, good, it's good. It's yeah, good to see you got after like quite a few years. It's been a wild it's been a while. Yeah, I don't know nothing, because I think the last time you came an extended very time. I was in Australia for that year. So after a long time. Yeah, it's been Nice. It's been a couple of years. It's crazy our time fly sometimes, isn't it? I know this is the thing. Like I feel like I only came back to England short time ago. It wasn't. It was about five years ago. So this past five years is just zoomed by. Yeah, that's happens. Also, feels like nothing's happened sometimes, but then when you think, bacular, okay, yeah, yeah, it's might it's like you see on instagram. You see these like on facebook about ten years ago, this happened on this day. You're like what, it's great, we left school, because I think you're in my school. Yeah, we'd have school ten years ago, which is just baffling to me. Like we have scored a decade ago. Makes me feel old. Yeah, it does me. It does. Mean I actually I think about town. When you think about that frame, it's crazy. I'm gonna like, back then we just used to worry about like you know, your phone, your page, you go phone. I think that was it. Yeah, page, you go phone, and it was back in The Times of MSN and Bibo and my space. It's crazy. So change now not? We've all got everything, just saw our phones to the if we want...

...them. Yeah, I mean it's amazing technology evolves and how people evolved find fascinating. But like, I know call minutes ago was talking about lockdown and you was saying like how I'll get some girls might have been feeling throughout this. Yeah, so I guess this goes with the having just a phone to scroll through all times. So social media, having it your fingertips, I think a lot of people maybe feel well, and I will talk about perfectionism. I think maybe girls in particular, some guys may feel this way who are may be used to getting their hair cut or their nails done or the eyebrows done or whatever it may be. And with Salm's being closed for so long, I've noticed there's been less pictures of obviously there's no group pictures because no one's really seen each other, but people haven't even really been taking selfies and I feel that maybe some people have got into a mindset of feeling that they need to look a certain way or put on a certain look for not necessarily for likes or whatever, but I feel that maybe they look at themselves and see imperfections, or others may not see because they're used to seeing themselves only looking good in their heads if they've been to the cellon or if they've done this all that, or if they're dressed up for a night out, and I feel that now lockdowns easy up, maybe people might get a little bit more confidence in themselves and maybe not feel the need to wear makeup or feel the need that they've got to have the hair straightened or curled or whatever it may be for them, and maybe race their own natural selves a little bit more not feel that they need to be so not perfectionists, but maybe not deeg holes at themselves or others don't see, if that makes sense. Like I feel that a lot of people perhaps see flaws in themselves that may have been heightened by all of this because, oh my gosh, I'm used to have in my nails done every month and it's been five months. What what do I do? Oh, this is embarrassing, or whatever it may be for the particular person. So feel that lockdown may of Ivor made that worse for some people, or maybe it makes some people a little bit more confident and they've realized that they don't need it and that they are okay in their own skin. I don't know how that feels from a guy's perspective. I've had moments like that Nice. It's interesting that you said to tear it from it, if in perspective, female perspective, because I suppose, like yeah, you do. Were those kind of regular things you do, like, m all right, you know you nails done. You had done things like that. HMM, as much probably to do the things that usually do. So like, yeah, you kind of like my other routine and might, like said, kind of connects with those parts you sold. Probably all you're frozen. I don't know if you can see me moving, but you frozen for me. I don't know if you can hear me, but you like completely frozen on sound and damage for me. Right. So, yeah, I there back now because my phone overheat it so I had to go away, sir. But yeah, yeah, so I was going to say, like women and haven't gone to get the nails done, the mother be...

...able to get a hair done and the kind of like, you know, those kind of pots you confidence, where you might feel, you know, a certain way when you get you nails on your hair. That makes sense. Yeah, can reconnect on those parts yourself and you might be more compute. Some people might be more comfortable now because they had they haven't they realized they haven't had to go and do that. They don't mind me. Yeah, and I think some people may have seen I've noticed it. I don't know if it's widespread or just thought of the people I follow this it's been. It's been quite a number of people who've started posting like fresh face selfies, as they will label them, and it's nice to see so many people who maybe I've not even seen without makeup before show themselves as themselves and it's like, oh my gosh, she's so beautiful, like it's so great that she can see this in herself now, if that makes sense, and seeing different sides to people. I think it's sort of makes people perhaps still a little bit vulnerable, because social media can be a nasty place, like there are a lot of evil, judgy comments that sometimes happen. Maybe not so much for our age group, but just in general, the Internet can be a horrible place to be vulnerable in because there are trottles, as they get called, and if your picture, or whatever it may be, happens to get the attention of people with that mindset, it can one comment can ruin your whole week and if you hear that on a day where you might not be having a great day, it could just stay in your mind for ages and think, oh my gosh, everyone thinks I've got a massive nose or oh my gosh, my eyebrows look terrible. If they don't like it, everyone was hate it, or whatever it may be. It could just be a tiny passive comment that then really sticks with people. So it's nice to see people embracing themselves and not maybe ignoring those comments. But if you see someone confident in their own skin, it's harder to attack those people with negative comments because they're probably not going to care. So it's sort of deters the trolls away from them, if that makes any sense. Yeah, yeah, not makes makes perfect sounds. I think, like they said, it's nice to see that kind of like that Hashtag, you know trend of like people not wear makeup and kind of being, you know, being the opposite, because I think so many people, you know I used to doing that, especially some people do on facebook or whatever now and then. But I think with social media, your you can be judged, you know, based on a picture, you can be you can be attacked, you know you can. It's almost like a free open space for people to take it, you know, cheap shot, and that happens. And also, you know, there's yeah, yeah, and I've seen it. And you know, I think it's very, very visible, especially when you got these posts with as thousands of Commons and you scroll and feelings like wow, but I think, like you know, you have to be yourself and you know, block that out in some way. If you can't, you know, or just filter out, you know, just to see it and just try not to let it in. And I think with social media is difficult because everyone's portrays an image of how you should be and what you should do and things like that. So people feel like they have to look a certain way based on howevers are looking in the world. Yeah, soshtags on trends or whatever it may be. People feel that they have to jump on that bandwagon as a way of free I guess it can be cool and but even with like bigger platforms that may not be individuals, it might be companies, in magazines or whatever, making people feel they've got to look a certain way. So a woman has to look a certain shape, man's got to have a certain amount of muscle or is hair or facial hair has to be in a certain way, and I think a lot of people fall under those pressures and a lot of those are fake, a lot of them edited or photoshops. I feel like...

...people feel even with maybe not pictures of themselves, pictures of May take of even their dogs or a walk they may have been on or a holiday snap or food or whatever it may be, they feel they have to edit it to make it look good enough for others, even though it looks great as it is. I feel the pressures they're sometimes, if that, I don't know if that if you ever feel like that, and I feel like it's sometimes. But I'm trying to sew away from that and trying to make things a little more just as they are, because I know I definitely not necessarily have had comments that are negative, but in my mind I feel like sometimes I'm being judged, even if I'm not so I feel like it's easy for people to fall into that mindset, even if it's not triggered directly at them. Yeah, no, I totally agree. I think, like you know, we can post something, we can probably put a filter on it or something like that, and I think, you know, we can all do that sometimes. It's you know, we try and always of all, we're always looking for the perfect kind of shot or the right kind of lighting or something like that. Yeah, and it can be automatic. You have to catch yourself sometimes like that. I just put a color on there for some reason. Why? I definitely do it sometimes, but I think it's becomes so automatically I'm like, you know that I really need to do that. Not Really. Yeah, it's almost like you have to think about not putting a filter on, or if you don't put to filter on, you feel almost the need to put Hashtag no filter. Everyone needs to know there's no filter on this, because it's become a thing in its own right by being so separate to the norm of all the filters and editing. It's like we were talking about earlier. With the photography I do, I'm by no means an expert at it. Like I I know very little about it. For the amount of photos I take, I tend to use my camera just on automode. I don't really know about the proper settings to use and the editing I do. I use sort of free APPs to do it that you can just download from the play store, apple store. So I've never looked at photo shop or anything like that. But I feel like for me, the whole perfectionism idea that is sort of not enforced on social media, it's just the way that it's sort of runs. So I feel people think that everything's got to look perfect. So if I started editing things through things like photo shop, I feel like I'd love it and I think I'd actually really enjoy it. But I know there'd be moments where, even if a picture looked good in my head, I'd be like wait, wait, now, I need to edit it some more, and it meets it's not perfect enough yet. So so I sort of worried that I'd fall into that mindset, which is the greatest mind that to have. So I think that's what's held me back from doing it. But I need to just get over there. I'm trying to get past that point and think now it's fine, like it's good as it is. If that, yeah, helps me to get to that place, hopefully it will, because there's there's a lot of photography peeps follow on Instagram and some of them are fantastic, but there's also some that have taken it just with their phones and not even edited whatsoever, and their focusos are just as fantastic. But it's a different dial or technique or whatever it may be. So it's just I don't know. I think perhaps for me seeing some people's photography, I think it's phenomenal and I sort of think, oh, mine has to be as good as there is. So if I felt like mine wasn't as good as this is, I'd be disappointed in myself, even if other people did like my work, if that makes sense. So I think no one's judging me negatively. I'm convincing myself that others will judge me negatively, but that's really from social media too. Yeah, I think a lot comes down to it. You know, what it all comes down to is I find you know, we're so caught up and war. The people are going to think before we posed, before we imposed the stuff,...

...and when we post it, you know our tension is the opinions of other people. What we what other people are going to think a half time, the people that were never even going to meet, the people that we don't even know. Yeah, it's just strangers, two strangers. We care about the opinions of strangers. Yeah, which is which is pretty crazy, and I think like it's just kind of like working on that. And you know, we're all world different. We've all got, I think you know, experience that and it's just, like I said, just trying to lie overcome that hurdle and I think it's normal to some extent because, I mean, I thought I said we've editing pictures, like you've got some like really great, great photos, and you you what? You take them on a cannon, is it? What cameras? I've got my cameras away the back of my wardrobe because I had a bit of a reshufful. Yeah, that Sony our x ten mark for so that might mean something more to others. It might not mean anything to some people, but some of the photos are just take on my phone as well. And then the thing is with the camera I've got, it has the potential to take some absolutely fantastic shots and I've got I've got a tripod and things like that, but I've never used that yet either, and I've had the camera for over a year. So it's just stepping through that out of my comfort zone, like when if I go walking quite a lot and I'll see other people with massive cameras or the massive lenses and I think, oh my gosh, I want to do that, like they don't care that I'm walking first, they don't care what I think and I need to get into the same mindset as them so I can actually make the most out of the camera that I've got, because there is really big potentially you'll there and I know that I'd love it and I know I think it's good that I'm aware that it's me holding me back, but it's just a need to get that tiny little spark of confidence to just do it and then see you takes me. Yeah, I think like your coming sounds like a machine gun, by the way, so long names. Yeah, if someone's our offs any mark form about people, I was going on something, Dude. Yeah, because I think, like you said, like I mean, if if I can give any advice, is it's not me with the podcast. When I started doing this, I you know, I didn't do it for about two years because I was scared of doing it. I was afraid what would people going to think, you know, so I'll just put it off. But you know, the more you do something that's difficult easier it becomes. Yeah, it's just stepping inside. Known so long, okay, and then I might be thinking why did away so long, which I guess maybe you've experienced too with these. Yeah, so, I mean it's normal. I think we will guilty of it in some extent and it is it is hard, it is difficult, but it is scary. But I think as well, when you know you'll see that, you know, you're your posting nice photos and the really great you know, some door very different as well, and I think, yeah, yeah, no, you're welcome, and I think why that will you're offering, you're providing value for what you're doing and people will like that. Yeah, you know, to mean that will be probably different someone's Day if they see that. Or you know that in spy them to do it, to get out there. So it's all, you know, it's quite a universal thing. You know, by you doing what you're doing, someone else might be that doing photography and Shit so I'm going to get my camera and I'm going to do that one. Yeah, it's so it's like Yung and yeah, I think, well, you know what you're doing and just how things were. I think I know where you're coming from. It that, I think for me I find sort of similar stages. I'll get out where I might just be sat not really doing anything. I've got a free day, but I did a typical thing of procrastinating. I'll just be scrolling and then I'll say, oh, someone's walking. That looks really nice. Where's that? And I'll go on the Hashtag of wherever it may be and see other really nice photos of...

...that particular place and then I think, okay, I'm gonna go there tomorrow, and then I go there. I love it and then I'll take a photo and then people who may be following me. I've had messages before. For example, I oh, we're about this, this, this looks really nice, or where'd you go walking? So I know that, even if it's only one or two people, it's helped. How you've just suggested that maybe they want to get up and go to the same place or do a similar thing. So it's it's almost like a domino effect with this type, with the type of photos I tell you, because they tend to be when I'm out walking, or they might be of animals or of a little forest or somewhere in the peak or Lake district, and people might not think of doing that, but I think because everyone's been so tied up in lockdown and so restricted, so many more people might jump on the same bandwagon of wanting to get out in nature, wanting to go for a little walk, wanting to take their dog or their kids or even on their own. Like walking on your own can be really nice too. It's great having company you, but it's also something that if your friends are busy or your partner or if you're single, like if you can go and do it on your own. It's didn't have to be a group activity. So it can get people more confident being out in the world on their own to which can be good. It's helped me at times when my anxieties didn't that, because I have anxiety and walking is the one thing that, no matter how bad it is, it makes me forget, like I'll be walking, even if it's like not too far. I can go for a little walk. I'll see a robin or a squirrel and then I feel better, which probably sounds silly or like a child to getting excited by squirrels, but for me that's something that I know makes me feel better. And there's the moments where I've perhaps gone for a walk around at Ember Nature Reserve and robins have flown down and fed from my hand and for me that was just just a really special moment, and not a lot of people get to experience that because of the whole hustle and bustle and living the city life. You have to sort of slow yourself down and I think if other people had moments like that they might see it in a similar way, because I think, yeah, escaping city life's great, but I think sometimes escaping that and just connecting yourself to something a little bit more real can really change your mindset, even if it's just for a few days, and I think it can really help people if their stressed out. HMM. Yeah, now, if that's a really good point, and I I think like it does help me mental health, doesn't it? And it does make you feel better your boy going for a walk. You know, I saw anxiety and things like that in the past. Yeah, I think that, you know, being around nature is very grounding and I think that's like one of the good things about nature and it's so important. And, like you said, you know by you going out, you know you're going somewhere new, you know you're doing something different. Yeah, and you know you're you might connect with someone who's doing the same thing that you are. Yeah, I'm so many friendly people. Like as a rule you might get the odd person maybe on your street nodding a good morning to you, but in general and cities, that's not the norm. But if you go for a walk look in the forest or if you go for a walk and Pete the streets, every person walks past you will say hello, how are you, you are right, or give you at least a friendly not like everyone seems more, not more friendly. That's probably sounds harsh to city life, but it's the more most like they're automatically in a community and they're just oh, yeah, looking to you, how I or Oh, we're out doing the same thing. Like it just sort of connects you to people who you never would have ever seen. So that's a nice part of it as well. Yeah, you kind of all on that same kind of light wave and volume. You just you know, you're you got probably a bit more clarity and time than you know, because I think I can sit mean Iland, not like nineteen years. And Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's like, you know, you haven't almost got time, cupular thing. I will...

...need to be next. Where if you're at on a walk with you somewhere, you like, you know, you in the your more in the moment, having that's the word, isn't that? You're you're in the moment more so you're more connected. Yes, you are, and so you sort of, like you said, like what you're doing next. Can Be the mindset you have in a city where you're rushing around, hopping from one thing to another and you might not even find five minutes to sit down and have a cup of tea. But for me he's when I'm out walking, what feels like five minutes could be three hours or you know, I'll you lose yourself completely. You use track of time, you're not in a rush and, like you say, you're in the moment, and I think it. It helps to calm me and I've never felt bad and even even if I felt tired, it's always been a good tired after for a long walk, I've always yeah better, even if I wasn't having a bad day. It's always uplifted me or made me feel more positive than I was feeling before I've been outside and it's different to the whole going for a walk in the city because, although it's still exercise, it's different walking in nature than it is to walking along a main road where there's lorries and sirens and beeping and car fumes and people shouting or whatever it may be. It's a completely sort of different mindset that you get in when you walk away from all of that hustle and bustle to just maybe you'll commute to work. So I think it's definitely something I'd recommend people to do, even if it's just a little one. They could just go for a walk around their local part. They don't have to drive out miles and do a big sixteen emile hike. Like start off with a little steps and I think it's surprising what it can do for people. Yeah, now, I completely agree and that's a really good point. Like you know, like yeah, exercising and walking like run a sea is okay, but I think, like you said, it's nice when you're around nature and greenery and trees. Like trees are very grounding. Yeah, and you know, like in not when you got wullets and hall. I mean you've got quite a few nice places and Nottingham. Yeah, there's lots of them dotted around. So there's not like one massive green space, but we've got lots of small green spaces. So like woods and hall, like you said, or noose to Dabby, which is sort of between not some man's field. There's atom a nature reserve which is sort of more beast and way. So they're all different sides of the city that and you can either walk through but it's the woodland. You can walk where there are lakes. You from walk where there's a pond, or you can walk where there's a both and where the places like that are. There's usually one fields, yeah, high fields exactly, and that's got things for the kids. So you can go out as a family without the kids getting bored because there's a lot of play area or they can feed the docks or whatever it may be. So even those were children who may feel restricted on that type of thing, there are places that suit that type of life as well. That type of lifestyle and those needs. So it's something for everybody and you can use how far you walk, so what your physical ability is can be a did to as well. You don't have think, oh no, well, I'll be able to make it up back down again if a walk up that hall or whatever it may be, because there's always an alternative root you may be able to do. Yeah, that's good for people as well. Yeah, no, certain with like your photographer, you could you get connor and he could like, you know, use him as like a testimy kind of thing, like you should, like just the camera and get a few go to, you know, get a few locations and stuff. It's really sweet what he's done because obviously he's quite active with his karate and he does he goes to the gym a lot. Obviously lockdown. He's not nei able to Jim, but he's been doing is teaching of karate via zoom, like you know, so he's still been able to do that. But he'd never really been on walks before and he knows how much I love it. So we got some walking boots and I've only taken him on too so far, after which he's been knackered on both but he's still enjoyed himself. So I'm sneaking into it slowly. So yeah, that's good. That's awesome to him. Yeah, Nice,...

...really good, I think like you, and when you're both doing it as well and you with someone, you're doing something that you enjoy, it's nice see when the year when they enjoy as well and they get into it. Yeah, yeah, last nice, I think liked everywhere else. Is it Bluebell Woods? Plan? Yeah, there's about woods. You can also go there's a little place called stroke biled off and you can walk all the way to another field lagoons if you go one way or if you want the other way. It takes you to sort of gun for which is more Nottingham Shire Than Nottingham, but you can either walk. You it's a walk along the trend and you can I wear the lagoons are. There's like a little bit of a nature reserve there, so there's always lots of bird life. Occasionally you might see the odd world deer. If you want the other way towards Gunthorpe, you can sometimes see otters. I've only ever seen one utter, unfortunately, and I didn't have my car, and that what the one Er see you on. I didn't have my camera, but at least I had that moment and there was no one else around. So it was like I had this moment with this very rare, hardly ever seen little animal. And look, even little things like that just feel very special or seeing. I saw my first woodpecker during lockdown because I went for a real long walk. No one else is around because of course a lot of people haven't been going out and about. was often them and I could hear this weird bird call that I've never heard before. So I just I was like, well, I'm not in a rush, let me just wait around a little and eventually I sort of trap down to what area it was in saw my first woodpecker. So even little things like that, which might sound not so much a big deal to other people, to me that was like, oh my gosh, I've never seen one before. Like they hardly ever seen. It's not the same as seeing like a dog or a cat or a dog. It's a rare sighting. So for me, little things like that I've been really nice. During lockdown. I've seen perhaps more wildlife in England and I've seen in places I've traveled to. Obviously there's different types of wildlife everywhere, but usually all we see in England's pigeons. So it's nice to spot the rareer things, I think, when you're out on walks like that. Yeah, now I totally agree. I think that's really like what people people seem more wildlife haven't they overlockdown because they've doesn't been as many cars and people about us. They kind of come more in woods, even abroad. I think in Italy they had dolphins coming into the canals of like Venice and areas like that, and there's been places where deer have come out of the woodlands into the villages and stuff where people hardly ever see them and they just sort of eating the flowers out of people's Front Gardens. But it shows you how quickly nature can be saved, like with this whole global warming thing. In just a few months China's had blue skyies for the first time in years and the canals in Venice have cleared because they're not as polluted by frequent boat use. So it shows how quickly actually we can turn things around if people have the mindset to do so. So I think that's really nice too. Now I totally agree. I think, like, I've got some druling outside. Yeah, the yeah, I totally agree. I think why people, people, you know, are using cause as much, are they? So, you know, certain things are like helping the environment, you know, helping you know, and I think it's really, really positive. I think they are. People can take a lot from it and, you know, think more about we know how to go about things. Yeah, and I what you said, like so, I no, no, carry on us again. So, like, yeah, I mean I wuld nature and, like you said, the Woodpecker in the otter, like it's quite rare asn't see certain animals. I think makes you appreciate nature and stuff as well as I remember, like I've heard, you know, an owl near me sometimes. Yeah,...

...and it's like, well, yeah, I bet you get a lot more. I mean, I don't. I don't know how much you really get with you know, you're living so close to the coast. I suppose it's more difficult for you to see certain things because it limits what can really live there. But it must be nice to be during lockdown. Those big empty beaches in Cornwall must have been gorgeous, because I know you've been taking you dogs out for walks and stuff them instead of loved having the beaches of themselves. Yeah, I took him. I took one on the golf course, actually, a few time. Really probably should have done that, but it's not news. Yeah, but but yeah, it's been it's been nice. I mean it is really weird, I think when sometimes, when the when when you're in empty spaces, that you see in a different light, though, and suppose you probably saw that walks, yes, as you went. Yeah, emptier places, because even if there's normally only a handful of people, seeing somewhere completely empty it's almost eerie, but not necessarily in a bad way. Just this is a bit different. Like the city center, because I live not too far from it, I've not really ventured into town drawing lockdown, so I've had no need to. But I sort of walked past it to get onto the canal and seeing the city center completely empty on a weekday, daytime was so bizarre, so bizarre. Normally it's driving every day, even even without it being a weekend. There's normally like hundreds of people dotted around, and seeing that completely empty was very strange. It was like a ghost town. Gosh, thats crazy. I bet it felt weird. Like I remember when I was driving, I'll trying through the dual carriageway, place called Truer by the nearest town to me, like a big town. It's called true and I was driving down the dual carriage away and as like day before lockdown, and was like, I think hard lenny cars in the road, not a petro station, was no one around, and I was like is it my times? Yeah, that night times as up the walking dead. I was like I might the only car on the road, like it's really strange. I know what you mean about the walking dead. It has felt sort of like a weird post Apocalyptic Zombie movie where all the streets are emptying. It's like, Oh, what was that sound? It's very strange. And now we didn't like now that some things have eased up. It's so bizarre. It's hard to know which fools to follow and which ones are going to change in which ones are going to stay the same. Like supermarkets still seem really regimented, but then other shops just seem to be working as normal and some pubs are absolutely heaving. I've not mentioned out to a pub just yet because it's been a bit chaotic from the pictures and videos of seen like around social media were on the news. But of course people are going to want to do that. They've been pretty much not knocked up, but confined for so long. All of a sudden they're going to jump at the opportunity to see their friends or their family, I suppose. But it's hard to know which way to go about it. or all desperate to see each other. But how safe is it? How safe isn't it? It's not knowing what boundaries to cross, which rules are okay. Why is there one rule here but the opposite rule in this place? I think a lot of people are in a very strange mindset at the moment and don't quite know what's okay do. Yeah, it's it's a bit up in the air, I think. You know, the government's advice being a bit allows place for people. I think some people are given up. They're doing their own things, you know, going along with it. It's all very open the air. I mean we I think we've compared some countries, we've been quite relaxed. I mean I was talking to one lady who said she couldn't go out with three days. You have to have a permit to go to the shop. You go to the shop, get your stuff and then you you go back to your flat and you can't go out for another three day. So you need to go out and get what you can. And that was a...

...lady and thousand of dust in Dubie. Yeah, that didn't very true anyway. From countries, yeah, they're strict there anyway. So I can imagine with a rule like this I'd be quite strict with it. I know that in Italy there are a lot of issues. Like a lot of people would because they couldn't go out at all. I think, similar to who you were just talking about, they had to have permission to go to the shop or to the pharmacy, but apart from that they had to stay inside. They didn't get the I know originally we all got like the a lot of time to have exercise for one hour. They didn't even get that. So some people trying to sneak out. But then they had, I think, patrols in certain cities at least, where polae least or some level of authority would be waiting to catch people doing that. But I think they've been very lenient here. I don't think as many people have been fined as maybe should have been, whereas other countries some people have done to prison for it or have had other sports punishment, and it's it's so weird to see how many countries have dealt with it in such different ways for the same thing. The rules have just been bizarre. But yeah, they've been a bit all over the place. I don't know. I know, like now they're saying on the twenty four of July, I think it is, you have to wear masks and shops. Yeah, Marcus, but the thing is, although they're doing that, restaurants are remaining open. You can't wear a mask in a restaurant because you then can't eat or drink. I'm probas are going to stay open. So I think a lot of people feel quite conflicted with the hang on a minute, how come I can't go to testcos to grab some milk without a mask, but I can sit in a pub for two hours and not have to wear one? Like they just seem very well contradictory, I guess. Like if it's if it's still so unsafe that masks are going to become compulsory, that should surely be an all establishments where there's crowds of people, but it's I think that's making people a little uneasy, at least, especially in the big cities where maybe shops are slightly larger than they might be in villagers or smaller towns. I think no one knows what's going on. Yeah, yes, yes, a bit. It's a bit up to the air. Just should make your own rule. Or wasn't out. And then there's a lot of people that like when they had when the blm protests were sort of bigger and all happening at similar times. People were furious about that. Of how dare people meet in a group? But those same people are going to pubs in groups and it's like you can't. Just don't be a hypocrite, like you either okay with crowds or you're not. But at least the BLM was about an important movement, something that actually matters in the long run. A plant in a pub doesn't matter that much in the long run. You can wait till next Saturday or whatever it may be. So I think it's there's been a lot of online conflict at least, of people saying one thing, maybe acting another way okay, and one thing not okay and another thing and it's I think people have fallen out quite badly over it's be honest, like there's been a lot of arguments I've seen on facebook, which is a sad place to argue, but it happens. If we're all separate. I guess it's bizarre. It's like constant stain and just seem debates every day and every political movement that's going on. Yeah, no, I agree. I think there's a lot of I think you see the worst and best and people from times the crisis and I think there's been so much stuff on the Internet and social media. You know, lots of movements, lots of discussions and things like that. Yeah, there's a comedian I like called Angel Shorts. Of you seen it, Andel shorts, and name rings the Bell, So may have seen something in the past. He's he's on into yeah, he's on instagram. He puts these funny videos on were talks about like black lives matter and it talks about different things going on, hmm, and he kind of puts it in a nutshell and like a sixminute video. So it is sort of because our it is. Yeah, and calls out celebrities...

...and stuff like that. Yeah, it is. You know. So I think like there has been good things up have come out of this whole situation. I've it's been bad things, but that's start. Young and young, isn't? You kind of warm about the ever thing so well, I think like a like like you was saying, it's sort of both sides of a coin. So it has caused a lot of conflict in some ways because different people. Of course, different people are going to respond to the virus differently, but with people being apart, things like zoom or facetime or social media, as dark as it can be, have become areas of safety or sort of where people can come together, and people have had zoom parties, for example. So if you can't see a friend performance, you can still have a video chat with them or and have your glasses of wine or whatever it may be, and play games through zoom and although it's not quite the same, it's still kept people connected and I think there's been a lot of networking. On instagram in particular, I've noticed where people might have gotten into a new hobby or they might have seen a recipe and then they're trying it out themselves and then sharing it to their friends. Or I've noticed one good thing. A lot of people seem to be shopping independently, so from like the little, smaller businesses. So I think that because a lot of them, of course, have shut down during this. I think social media has been a life saver for some small businesses, whether it beat them selling like candles or or wax melts, or maybe it's clothes that they've made themselves or little home where things, whatever it may be. I think social media has been brilliant for that type of thing. But then there's the negative side too. So it's depends. It's where you look at it. I guess. Yeah, not impletely agree. I think likes good point. It's like the other negative to it and then as positive. You know, like lot business of businesses have been able to stay afloat throughout social media and doing that fantastic start. Like, honestly, a lot of people have lost their jobs, whether it's through the virus or whether it's because the companies have gone down. At my last step, my job was Friday just gone. So at the minute I'm looking for work. But if there's people applying for a job with five roles, say there's normally twenty applicants there's now a couple of hundred applicants because there's so many people in situations where they're without jobs. So I think social media has been a great place for people to come and talk to about it. It's almost become a type of forum, and I'm in a couple of group chats where people are sending each other like whether it's just like cheesy memes, where it's got like positive affirmations or quotes are or they'll say, Oh, I've seen this job, I think you'd be good at that, or you know, everyone's supporting each other and lifting each other up. So, although it's a really negative place to be, I think it's also bought people together and everyone's so much more supportive. There's so many community pages on facebook where people are sort of collecting food for people that have lost their jobs and can't afford it or whatever it may be, and I think that's been brilliant. That's been something that people never would have been bothered about before. Normally is Peter soon as people hear the word donation or charity or can you help, they sort of come up with an excuse and run away. So I think it's nice to everyone's so on board with it and everyone's being so supportive and neighborly, I guess, and a part of a community. It's it's nice seeing a sort of thing. How Nice. It's like a seeing human nature from a different way, like humanity now has faith restored by so many people, which is good and hope last after the virus is gone, if it ever disappears. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I agree. I think they said there's lots of groups on facebook and social media that have positive and there's that kind of community feel to it, especially, probably more so, people are more connected things from this. I had a friend, I've got a friend who's flat got caught fire. I lived in like that, that male building, and yeah, the core fire who lived...

...there, and he he's he's got, you know, as a place, whose girlfriend now. But like the donations that were given, you know, to people through that and closed donated things like that. You know, it's crazy, you know, it's really positive, but it's nice to see. You know, it's nice to see positive things coming out of this. Some of thing that's we need to focus, focus on. Isn't it more than news, than exocide? Yeah, looks like I said to you to day it's but but not, Ellie, it's been. It's been a pleasure talking to you and having on the podcast, and thank you for really we really appreciate I'm sorry about my phone overheating and open. Oh It's okay, mine cutout as well, technically, but okay. Yeah, but not all the best with what you're doing in your photography and life and thank you. Hope it all works out for you. I think you're doing a great job and just keep on doing it, and same with your podcasts. Yeah, because you're almost a hundred now, aren't you? So you're almost so yeah, yeah, so, almost there. But now we appreciate it and, like I hope, you know, I hope things work out job wise what you as well and just getting on. Yeah, we'll be something in the end. Like I say, there's so many people in the same boat as me that things are just going to take a bit longer. So we'll all get there. It's just how long it takes, that's all. Yeah, yeah, we'll make it. Yeah, yeah, and I'll keep at it and I really, really been really good talking to them and you too. Yeah, but will stay in top you take care of it. Have a nice day, all right, you two take care of hi.

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