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The Parrsitivity Podcast #Episode 98 Dr Emee Vida Estacio

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In this podcast I'm joined by Dr Emee Vida Estacio, Emee is a self-published author #Amazon best seller! Emee also helps Coaches, consultants, business owners expand their reach! Runs 12week coaching "get it done group" --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/the-parrsitivity-podcast/message

Hither. My name is Adam Po and the podcast host posity to podcast. In this podcast, you will be listened to me connect with people from different walks of life, from the military to people in the music industry, to people in the self help industry and many other areas of life. In this podcast I'll be talking about topics from self help, mental health, motivation, spirituality, mindset, society, current affairs and much, much more. If you enjoy this podcast, please subscribe, share and let me know your feedback. And my main intention on this podcast is to have a positive impact for you, the lit the listener, to take something positive from it, to apply something positive into your life from this. Now with without further ado, let's go to podcast and enjoy. Hi, welcome supposes podcast. In today's episode on joined by Emmy Beat, a star show. Emmy helps coaches, consultants business owners expand their reach. She's also a coach and self published author. She also helps people to publish their books and learn how to really get into self publish it. She has many books from fear is not my enemy, change your life for good, impost the syndrome remedy. She's also a number one Amazon best seller and over talk. Tim Ferris in this podcast talked about self publishing, box mindset, motivation and much more. Now, sit back, relax and enjoy him. Are You doing right? I'm good. Thanks for having me, Adam. No, I've very, very welcome. It's podcast. Yeah, awesome. Well, I'm very excited to have this, this conversation with you. No, same here. Be Be really good to talk to you about you know, what you do and how you got into it. So, so, so you I taught psychologist? You saying? Yes, yes, that's correct. I'm a chartered psychologist. That's my profession, but now I actually specialize in helping online entrepreneurs, coaches, therapists who want to expand their reach, who want to, I'm widen their audience and and be known by writing and self publishing a number one best seller on Amazon, because I know that writing a book and and publishing it on Amazon is a really great way to reach your audience, to establish your expertise and and to share your knowledge. So that's something that I've done myself, I've learned it and now I'm helping others to do the same. Nas that's great and I feel like publishing a book be quite difficult, awesome. I mean...

I've never published the book myself, but I imagine not the loss of different options and different routes to go down. Absolutely. I mean for me, my my background is in know, with me being a chartered psychologist, I have twenty years experience in academia. So before I got into what I am doing now, I've I've written tons of publications truitionally published, because that's that's part of our job, right, you know, we we teach, we we do our research and then we publish our work, text books, research journals and so on. But for me, when I dip my toe in self publishing, it just opened the whole new world for me because for me being traditionally published, you know with my textbooks, in my research papers, it takes forever. It takes forever to write your book and then you have to wait. We have what you call a publication lag, so it takes a long time. It takes years before your written work gets out there, before it gets published. But when I got into self publishing, it made me realize that you can actually publish your book on Amazon be in front of millions of readers around the world. You cast your net so widely and the the fascinating thing is that you don't have to wait for years. When I upload my books on Amazon, and in the same thing with my student sometimes it only takes four hours and then your book is out there. The thing is it's really exciting, especially if you have something that you want to share immediately, if you have this expertise or this experience that you want to to share with the world. Self publishing is a great way to expand your reach. But, as you've said, and I think this might be a slightly misconception, you know, people think that it's a hard process, that it's complicated and you know it's very difficult. What I would say is it can be quite daunting at first, but when you know the steps and when you take it one step at a time, just as with any project, you know, you might think that this is a difficult task because you haven't done it before, there are so many things that you don't know, but when you have someone who could show you and and and list all the steps, you take one step at the time and the next thing you know you're a published author, and a number one best selling author on Amazon at that. So you know, it's just a matter of understanding what works, understanding who you can reach out to for support and in following a process that actually works. Yeah, no, I I think I can definitely agree with what you say and I think, like what you said is, you know, with writing like books, people usually say I was quite hard or you know, there's that kindages, that that kind of stigma attached to it. And I think like what you said as well, if you just break it down and two chunks, you can have it work out for you could do and you said, for hours. Well, the writing part takes a long time. The writing part will take a bit of time. But after you've written it and prepared for Your Launch, when you upload it on Amazon, it could go live just like that. You know, all all the all Amazon needs to do is to review your book see if it is worth, you know, putting out there, if it's not containing any content that's, you know, inappropriate. Yeah, so you know, they will review it and once it's approve, it's out, whereas with the traditional publishing route, you know, it does take a long time to get it out. You know, going, you know, backwards and forwards with your with the publishers and and so on. So for me, I've seen both, both roots. I'm still traditionally published, you know, I still write textbox and I still go...

...with my traditional publisher to to get my text box out and to, you know, send it off to universities and and all that. You know, that's a specialist area. But when it comes to, for example, like online entrepreneurs who have this expertise, who would want to use their book as a way to attract audiences, you know, to to get more speaking gigs, for example, or to use it as a supplementary material for their coaching practice or as a way to generate leads into their business. Certainly for me, I have so many students who are like that. You know, there they are business coaches, life coaches, therapists who are growing their online business and they are using their books to to show that they know what they are doing, that they have they that credibility and expertise, that they know their stuff. They share practical strategies and tools in their books because really, honestly, they do want to help out people, you know, by sharing what they know, because some of them yet they charge high rates. You know, they are premium priced coaches and they recognize that not everyone can afford their services. So what they do is that. Yeah, they just share what they know through their books, and that way they feel as if they are still making an impact, you know, for those who need their support, even if they don't, even if they cannot afford their want to want services. But for those who do neither want to want services, their book is a great way to warm up their potential leads, because the book shows a little bit of your personality, it shows a bit of your style, it shows that you are knowledgeable in your field and when done right, when you're able to market your book well and possession your book well on Amazon, it's amazing how a number one best selling author badge, you know, can can do wonders to your online business. Yeah, massively and I think, like what you said, with like you know, you know imasons. You know, one of the biggest book on occuplaces is actually the the biggest online platform for selling books. So, for for all of my students, what I tell them, and you know, we do have a lot of debate about this inside myself, publishing made simple community. So that's the community. It's a free community, by the way. So if if anyone is interested in writing and self publishing in a book and just want to dip their toes and just to get a feel of what it's like. You know, we have that discussion all the time inside myself publishing made simple community on facebook and they keep asking me why do I tell my students to publish only on Amazon? Why are my students exclusive on Amazon? And the only reason I know, my only reason for that, is self publishing on Amazon is the simplest way to do it because when you master one platform, it gives you the confidence, first of all, it gives you the simplicity, it gives you the focus that you only focus on one platform at the time and because Amazon is the biggest online book retailer in the world, when you focus your attention on that, it gives you the opportunity to understand its algorithm, to understand how it works, how you can optimize your book and possession your book so you can be in front of the readers that you want to reach. And as a result of that, I have a one hundred percent success rate. All of my students get to number one best seller on Amazon because we understand how the algorithm works. If they try to put their books elsewhere. You know, they spread themselves too thin. You know, they they try to master...

...all of the platforms that have different audiences and different ways to trigger and possession on your books. They go mad and they get overwhelmed, whereas for my students, we just focus on one platform. We have the biggest. You know, we start with the biggest online book retailer in the world. Get yourself to the top, get yourself to number one best seller. It gives them the credibility. They get the badge that they put on their website and tell to the world that they are a number one best selling author. And once you build that confidence that yes, they can write a book and yes, they can self publish and get to number one best seller on Amazon, it gives them the confidence to explore other options. But for me, I would say start with one first and for me I help my students to get their foot in the Amazon self publishing marketplace, master that, get to number one best seller on launch week and then if you want to take it elsewhere, it's entirely up to you. M Yeah, often, after you've made some really, really good points, to not think like if you're focusing all your effic and you know five different places, ten different places. Your energy and your focus is a bit scattered, isn't it? And, like you said, you know using Amazon, because I wellknown they're already established. It's kind of like the automatic go to the light when people think of Netflix, you know, isn't it? It's like, you know, we'll go there to people like you know, I use armies of the box, I thought. You know, loads of box off Amazonia, no preyer and books and even, like you know, Ebox, you know. And that's, like you said, like we've publishing box, you said. Like you know, once somebody might say do the first book and I put on Amazon as well. Or, you know, even want to do the first poets. I'm going to build up momentum. Isn't it to them? Do the next one? Exactly. And and that's the other thing that I tell my students whenever they come to me and they have this idea of a giant book, I tell them, okay, you're thinking about writing an Eightyzero or a one hundredzero word book, but the truth is when people go on Amazon, they have a very specific problem and they are looking for a very specific solution. And what you need to understand is that when they go there, they usually put like keywords on the search bar. What you need to do is you need to understand what people are putting in on that search bar and when you understand the mindset of your of your potential readers, then you will be able to write a book that will serve them well and that you will be able to position yourself and your book as the book that will address the problem that they just put in on the search bar. So when I teach my students how to write and self publish a book on Amazon, we don't start with writing oneone. You know, day one is actually all about keyword research. We do our keyword research and market research from day one, because what I want them to understand is that, writing a book, you might have the best idea in the world and you might be able to write the best book in the world, but people but if people don't know that your book exists or if there is no demand for the book that you've written, you've pretty much wasted your time. You've pretty much wasted your time and your energy. You need to understand what your what your readers are looking for, what are their hopes, their fears, their their frustrations and what are those specific keywords that they are putting on Amazon when they are looking for books? That way, you will be able to write that will write a book that will serve them well and you will be able to optimize your book. You know, the title, the subtitle, the book description. You can optimize your book in such a way that when someone types in those keywords on Amazon, your book...

...is the first one that comes up because you've identified those as the keywords appropriate for your book. Does that make sense? You know, makes perfect sense. I think. Like you said, you know, it's people don't necessarily understand the algorithms. Sometimes, though, then look at it from the other perspective of what you said, from the person looking for the book, like if you looking for a certain book, you might typen you know certain keywords are then bring it to the search. It's a bit like on Youtube. I found when you talk a video and you put up a video, the certain tags that will inter connect search with the videos. If you're not put in another times you're not going to find it. So I suppose actually it's the same way with with Amazon self publishing. So that sort of one of the strategies that I teach my students that even before they start writing their books, you need to understand how Amazon works. You need to understand the market place in the mindset of the people going in there. So even before you start writing your book, you know how to position your book because in the end you you have a book that you need to sell. So essentially it's a product and before you you launch a product, before you develop a product, you have to do your market research. You under you need to understand if there is a demand for it and if there is, you produce it. You know you you create it and get feedback from people, refine it if you like, but you have to start with market research first and and that's why, again with my students, we obsess, we obsess over keyword research in in my programs, because if you don't know how to do keyword research, you will struggle to compete on Amazon. Yes, it's the biggest platform, you know, online book retailer in the world, but there are also millions of books on there and if you don't know how to position your book and market it well, you're going to drown. You know your book is going to drown. And if you have people like us who actually know how to play with the Algorithm? Who Know, who actually understands how the system works? You haven't got a chance to compete if you don't educate yourself. So that's what we do. We we do the keyword research, we understand what the readers need. Write the best book that you can and come launch week, we don't just publish the book, Cross our fingers and hope for the best. We actually do have a strategy. We need to be prepared and we aim for the top, nothing less than number one. We aim for the top because that's, you know, that's what will give you credibility and when you have all those thousands of downloads for your book, those are extra thousand eyeballs knowing that you exist and in warning them up, making them understand who you are, what you're like, giving them, you know, a feel off of your personality because they've read your book and once they get to know, like and trust you, it would be easier to connect with them if you have anything to offer, whether it's a coaching service or or a course or a membership program or even another book. You know, most of my students are have this vision of creating a brand on Amazon. You know, creating a series of books, because it's not just one book. You know, they have a series of books on Amazon. It really solidifies their credibility and makes them the go to expert in their niche yeah enough, not really good points, I think, like with you know, with the box as well. People, you know, you need to understand the...

...algorithm because of wise, you know, in some ways pretty ways to content. You put time into making something and you wanted to get seeing, wants it to get to become visible because you put so much time and energy into it, and you know books could take you a long time. And I would you. Would you say that you know to stand you're trying to stand out amongst the crowd, because this must be so much competition. You know in making books and publishing that you know that there's foul wasn't solved them a lot. Would you say? As well, you know, it's how the design looks. The Oh yeah, absolutely. So there are three things, you know, three three aspects of a successful launch, and this is what I teach and in my self publishing made simple community. The first one we've already talked about, is the keyword research, making sure that you understand what your audience are looking for and that you optimize your your title, your subtitle, book description, your method data, essentially to to correspond to those keywords so when people type in those keywords, your book is the first one to appear, not the one hundred book, the first book to appear when they type in those keywords. So that's the first strategy. The second one is, yes, you are right, you know the design. You know when when it comes to book covers, you know, especially for those self published books on on Amazon, they they may not be the prettiest books, you know, they may not be the prettiest covers, but the ones that stand out on Amazon, the ones that do well on Amazon, are those where the keywords actually pop, that even when you when you are browsing through Amazon, when you're scrolling down on your phone or your eyepad or whatever device that you're using, those book covers, even as a thumbnail, they pop. You know, they attract your attention and you see those keywords in imediately. So, for example, if you are someone who is looking for a book that will help you to overcome depression and anxiety and you see a book that has like overcome depression, in anxiety, popping on the cover. You know, it's almost like it's calling to you. You know, that's what I get my students to do and in one of my programs, you know, it's called the get it done challenge, we have a twelve week program where we spend one whole week optimizing the title and subtitle, making sure that those high traffic keywords are part of the METADATA. But the following week we also spend a whole week designing the cover, or at least outsourcing support, you know, professional designers to create covers that pop and stand out from from the crowd on Amazon. So it's really important that just because it is self published, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's amateur. We are professionals here, you know. We we say professionals because we are making a living out of, you know, publishing books. And when you want to build a business from self publishing your books, you need to high pros. You know, you need, if you're not a designer, hire a professional designer, hire an edit or, you know, if if you need someone to go through your book. We Have Book Promotion Service is supporting us. So instead of going the traditional publishing route with an already existing team as a self published author, you don't have to do everything on your own. What you're essentially doing is to is creating your own team, creating your own publishing team, filling in those skills that might be lacking, like, as I've said, if you're not an editor, if you're not a cover designer, you can bring people in and just because you are a self published author, it doesn't mean that it is amateur. You know, one of the things that that sort of...

...annoying me. You know, it's one of the myths that I get a lot from you know being a self published author and also being a traditionally published author, is that they see self published books as Lower Grade, that it is that it has less quality and so on. Well, the truth is that when it comes to self published books, it's actually the readers who are doing the the reviewing and the filtering. You will see that the best books stand out because the reviews are glowing. When it comes to the traditionally published books, it's the it's the publisher who sort of acts as the gatekeeper, so they filter out who gets published and who doesn't get published. With self publishing, everyone is liberated, everyone has the opportunity to self publish a book, but the filtering happens in the marketplace itself, because you're giving the power to the readers and choose which ones they like and which ones they don't like. So instead of leaving the power to the to the publishers, letting the publishers decide for you what to read and what not to read, self publishing empowers the authors and the readers to filter out who's WHO's a good author who's not, as not, you know, not a good author. It empowers the authors because it gives them the freedom to publish their work, but it also empowers the readers because the readers now have a voice to say I like that book, Here's a five star review. I you know, I've read it myself and you can see that. Yeah, it builds more opportunities for everyone this way. So that's what I absolutely love self publishing and that's why I get really annoyed when people say the only way to go is traditional publishing, because the authors are being filtered out. Well, actually, selfpop the self publishing market place, you do have those filters as well, and the judges are the readers, not the publishers. Yeah, US, I agree. I agree with you that I think, like all our reading books and I like to occur, is it what stones go to watch stones and have look at books and things like that? And I think, like what you said, when you have the publishers as a bit like, I'm not going to go too uch into it, but it's but like the you know music, music industry, you know the big companies that you know, they have to say on what kind of goes, don't they? Yeah, and that's probably the same, like said, with books and publishing companies. You know, they have day, they pick and choose what what goes out, whereas if you're, you know self published, you can do ten books and put them out and do what you want. And I think sometimes it's, you know, like when you see a good book or you know a good artist, you're like, you know, the people who are really recognized, you know, like these infamity, you know, infamous artist, infamous publishers. I think sometimes they are sometimes the best. HMM. And like so, you know, the audience can review it and, you know, say what they well, they like about its freedom with it. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, that's that's one of the reasons why I yeah, I still have a traditional publisher there is a place for traditional publishers, but when it comes to self publishing, you don't really have to ditch it or think that it's a second class way of getting your books out. Essentially, it's the readers who will decide if if the book is worth supporting or not. And for me, what I tell my students is that yes, this, do the keyword research. Let's write the best book that you can. But at the same time, when you launch your books, you don't just launch...

...your book, Cross your fingers and hope for the best. You know, as I've said, we actually do have a launch strategy. We it's almost like preparing for battle, you know, we are getting ready, you know, to go out there and make sure that the book gets to number one. And and we do have a very specific sequence. Inside my get it done challenge we actually have a twelve week sequence where we start with a blank page and launch the book by Week Twelve. The writing period happens around weeks three, two, six, but from week seven to twelve that's the time when we prepare the book prepared for publication. It takes US six weeks to get ready for publication. The editing, the cover designed, you know, preparing the launch sequence, the Promo schedule. It's quite tedious and one of the biggest mistakes I've seen new self published authors make is that they launch and they haven't got a strategy. You know, they just think that okay, I've got my book, the hard work is done. All I have to do is to upload it on Amazon, tell all my friends about it and everything's going to be okay. Unfortunately, that strategy doesn't work if you have zero followers, for example. You know, maybe if you are an influencer, that might work, because you'll publish a book and blest it out to your fear followers and they all, you know, buy your book. That's absolutely fine, but if you are someone who's just starting out, you know it's gonna be a hard cell. So for me and my students who are starting with zero followers, for example, really crucial is the keyword research, because that way you are reaching people who may have never heard of you before. It's just so happened that they typed Indus that keyword and your book came up and it's sort of, you know, appealed to them because it's using their exact words that they put in on the search bar. So really that's why a keyword research is really important. But at the same time, when I talk about launch strategy, when I see new authors who publish and then ask their family and friends to support them, I tell them you are too late. You are too late. You should have asked for support six weeks ago before you launched your book, because for my students, as part of our launch sequence, we actually build a launch team. You build your team and take your team with you, rally the support and get them with you when you launch. So you know, we we organize that for me and my students. And Yeah, and when I see those authors actually don't know what they are doing. They launch a book and then as their family and friends for support, I tell them, I'm sorry, but you are already late. You should have done that six weeks ago. Get the support, build your team, get your team to launch with you and when you finally launch, you'll hit straight to number one because you've been working on it for the past six weeks. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, now, of course thoughts. That's a really good point. I like. I think I said, a lot of people, you know, publishing the book not have an audience before you know that team not backle behind them to help launch it. Yes, like you know, you just pushing it out there and expectant to get instant reach, and that's going to take time, isn't? If you got that offer behind you, probably it's been a knowledge, knowledgeable of how to use social media as well how to publish a market that book. I have to say, though, this is it's not really a secret, you know, it's something that I tell my students a lot. When I when I published my self, published my first book, I just started on facebook. I had no followers, I had no business page, I only have my family and friends as my friends. On this book I...

...was a complete new be but on my launch week I actually managed to outrank Tim Ferris or, my first book. Yeah, screenshots to prove it. So that and and the way that I did it is, first of all, keyword research and the timing. My book was called Change Your Life or good I. I launched it on New Year's Eve and you know, people were thinking about changing their lives around that time and my book was coming up very quickly organic traffic because people were typing in change your life at that time and I did manage to outrank Tim Ferris for my very first book, without followers, without social media experience it. I was on facebook for six months, you know I did. I just opened my facebook account for the sake of opening a facebook account. I wasn't social media savvy. But the trick there was, yeah, the keyword research. I had my launch team. I had family and friends, you know, supporting me on my launch team. And third the secret source was I also had book promoters. I had book promoters. That's, you know, that's what got me to number one best seller, even if I was a new be self published author, outranking Tim Ferris for my first self published book. The thing is, if you know what you are doing, if you know all this hacks, if you like how to work around the Amazon Algorithm and how to tap into all this book promotion services, that will blast out your book. Even if you don't have existing followers, you will build your followers because you have a book, because all of those thousands of people who downloaded your book and if you have a Free D for example in your book, like a lead magnet in your book, a checklist, a cheat sheet or whatever, now that they have your book they sign up to your deed magnet. You nurture them in your mailing list, they read your book, they become raving fans, and that's how, you know, that's how I started my private practice. That's how I started. I'm building my my social media presence and in my following, and you know, it all started with the book. And you know, that's what I help my students now, and I I'm absolutely thrilled when each and every one of them, you know, they start, they start off with a blank page with me, and when I see them publish their books and every single one of them gets to number one best seller on Amazon, I feel so accomplished. You know, it feels like I've been through the journey with them and it gives me so much satisfaction to see them get to number one and use their books as a way to nurture and grow their business as well. So awesome. Aw Sor I finally, really, really, you know, in sparing motivates and, you know, listen to what you're saying about. You know what you've you know the work that you've been doing. You know, we probably shouldn a you know, I think it's it's really positive. I think it's like it willn't you know, it's inspiring of the people to them publish that a book and and especially for what one of the things that I've noticed with coaches and, you know, online entrepreneurs is sometimes they feel as if I'm not a writer, I am not really sure if I'm an author, but they have an idea for a book but they just don't have the confidence to write a book. What I have to say to that is you don't have to be a brilliant writer. You're not. You're not writing a Nobel prize winning piece of literature here. If your aim is to help people with your knowledge and expertise, if you are an expert in your field, if you know that your content can can ease the pain of so many people out there, if your expertise can transform businesses or,...

...no, transform someone else's trajectory, if you know if your content is worth sharing, you have to let go of that self doubt and just get on with it. If you're not a natural writer and if you are a speaker instead, if you are more comfortable sharing your expertise by speaking, speak it. You know, get a dictaphone, you know, speak your content. Some of my students, you know, they transform their their existing courses or their existing lectures into books. You know, they would say, I'm not really sure if I'm a writer and I was say, well are, you are an expert in your field. You know, I have a student. He's a beekeeper. He's dyslexic, and that's what he was saying, is like, I don't know if I can write, and I asked him, what do you know about beekeeping? And he started talking. You didn't stuff for like forty five minutes talking about these so I said look, if we recorded that and have that transcribe, that's your book. So you know this. So if you know, to anyone who's listening to this podcast and you're thinking about what a great thing you know having a book, will you know how how writing a book could help Your Business, to widen your reach, but you're just not too comfortable about writing? If you are an expert in your field, if you know your topic and if you know that your expertise can help so many people, go for it. You know, just just let go of that self doubt and you'll just be so amazed at how a book can transform Your Business and can also help so many people because you have shared your expertise with them. Yeah, no, pass exactly, isn't it pass like yes, when you when you think of a lot Du some, it's pretty amazing, as it just shows that, you know, you can do whatever you set your mind to. Yeah, and if you are doubting and if you're thinking I have no clue about self publishing, reach out to me and very friendly you. Yeah, and actually, if you are if you are curious, we actually do have. As I've mentioned earlier, I have a self publishing made simple community on facebook. I go their live every Tuesday at eleven in the morning UK time. I have tons of free resources in there. I have a starter kid, you know, that will list all of the steps that you need to just to see what what's involved, so you know what you're getting yourself into. You know, we engage in conversations, debates and you know best practice in writing and self publishing. So if you want to dip your to and explore what self publishing can do for you, come and join US inside my free facebook community. It's called self publishing made simple and and it's a really warm and friendly community and you can ask me anything, well, actually any time. But I go live on facebook every Tuesday, eleven am UK time. Yeah, now, that's awesome. Am A, where else can we find on instagram? You on Instagram as well? I'm not active on Instagram, but the best way to connected Copaso facebook or on Linkedin. I'm pretty active on Linkedin as well. Yeah, yeah, Nice. It's great, you know, talking to you and I think, like you know, you with what you're doing. Is You really really much twading spa, and I think it's like really positive this work. You know, your you set a program and you're helping people to learn how to publish that book and you're seeing them develop and grow when you seeing them put out something that they you know, they look to do nothing. That's, you know, something's all about. Isn't in a provided value? And I have to say what I also enjoy so much is the ripple effect, you know, because I'm helping my students and my students are helping their clients and their clients are helping others because, you know, it's just it's...

...just so fantastic to see how people helping each other has that ripple effect. And for me, just being able to encourage someone to say look, you have something valuable that's worth sharing and they go for it and you can see their work transforming someone else's life and then that someone else transforms somewhat. It's just absolutely fascinating to do, to experience and yeah, I you know, it just brings so much joy in my life right now. Yeah, that's lovely. Not So's lovely how you put it on us. That's how you know life works, isn't it? That's how people should live off on. You know, you do something to help someone and then they help someone else and she's not like set of ripple effects and you know effect. It's fantastic. And with the book, you just you know, you just don't know where, where it will go to. You know, someone will read your book, pass it on to someone, they talk to someone about it. He I mean it could just go so you know, you don't know how much it could impact someone and where that book will take you and your hiders and so on. So if you've been thinking about writing a book, you know, please feel free to connect with me or come and join US inside the free, self publishing made simple community on facebook. It's a really wonderful, supportive community and I can't wait to welcome you there. Yeah, now I can't wait to jumpincer as well. Awesome, but the nice been if I are talking to you, I mean I know you're yell. You've got to shoot time and I than well. Thank you very much, Adam. I am. I really appreciate this opportunity and welcome. If you need the link to to the self publishing made simple community, I'll send it over to you. Nice Sun. You'll just put it in the show notes and the description. Yeah, yeah, put it all out there for you. Awesome. Thank you very much and I appreciate welcome. You will welcome there's will be talking to you and all the best of what you're doing. Thank you. You to take care. By all the best of the best. By byway.

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